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Lance Armstrong Oprah Interview 2013: Part II

Welcome back to Cyclingnews' live blog of the Lance Armstrong interview conducted by Oprah Winfrey. We will be bringing you the play by play of what else Armstrong admits to, what other bombshells are yet to drop. Tune in at 8:30PM EST.

In part one, Armstrong admitted to doping with EPO, testosterone, cortisone, and to doping during all seven of his Tour de France victories. He accepted responsibility for "leading by example" in the team's doping, but did not agree with USADA in its assertions that the team had a sophisticated doping scheme. He said that the doping was minimal and risk-averse, while later calling the doping reckless.

What more will come in part two? We shall see!

There have been plenty of reactions whizzing around the internet since last night's part one of the interview.

Greg LeMond said Armstrong tarnished all of the sport's champions.

Betsy Andreu was upset that Armstrong didn't confirm the conversation in the hospital room back in 1996 when he confessed to his doctors he was doping, but later gave him credit for finally coming clean, so to speak.

 

The US Anti-Doping Agency and the UCI both came out for Armstrong, saying he has made the first step. USADA urged him to cooperate with the authorities, while the UCI used Armstrong's comments that the biological passport had discouraged doping as proof that they've been getting something done.

Other reactions from Christophe Bassons, various athletes including Andy Schleck, Jens Voigt, a "frustrated" Paul Kimmage, US cycling fans and legend Eddy Merckx ran the gamut of emotion.

Most cycling fans seem unconvinced of Armstrong's sincerity, and the mainstream press has been quite negative. Does anyone have anything positive to say? Tweet to @cyclingnewsfeed or use the hashtag #doprah to give us your views.

 

Personally, I found the long awaited confession by Armstrong liberating. With that out of the way, we can put it behind us and move on to what looks to be an exciting season full of (hopefully) clean champions. 

Jane Aubrey and Alex Malone are busily prepping for the Santos Tour Down Under in the midst of an Australian summer heat wave.

Daniel Benson is down in Australia for the Tour de San Luis, while the rest of us are looking forward to the Cyclo-cross World Championships in the USA and our various team camps which precede the start of the European road season.

 

We also have some exciting, fresh talent to look forward to watching this year. Cyclingnews' 10 questions series on the Class of 2013 has already covered Ian Boswell, Joe Dombrowski (both Sky), Evan Huffman (Astana) and Rohan Dennis (Garmin-Sharp), with more to come.

 

@Cyclingnewsfeed Many people live a lie...among their friends, husbands/wives, at work, on tax returns...and never dream of saying "I lied."

@ChrisAllen_75 Sat, 19th Jan 2013 01:16:55

Just a few more minutes until the interview airs. Apparently, we are informed, Paramount Pictures has purchased the film rights to Armstrong's story. The NY TImes' Juliet Macur is writing the book. Looks like this won't be the last we hear from Mr. Armstrong.

 

McEwen: Everybody wanted to believe the fairytale http://t.co/ISNproPu Via @cyclingnewsfeed

@TwitRides Sat, 19th Jan 2013 01:56:15

@Cyclingnewsfeed We think it's time to turn the page and focus on the athletes that compete 100%CLEAN. #Thomas #de #Gendt

@Clean100Percent Fri, 18th Jan 2013 23:30:02

And we start part 2 with a question "do you feel disgraced" - yes, he also feels humbled, ashamed, "this is ugly stuff".

 

What was the humbling moment?

I believe it was a Wednesday. Nike called. They said, basically, they're out. Then the calls started coming. Trek, Giro, Anheuser Busch... everybody out.

Still not the most humbling moment, but not a fun period.

 

"I assumed we'd get to this point... but I didn't think the foundation would leave".

That foundation is Armstrong's eponymous LAF, which has been renamed Livestrong, officially, removing his name and he has been forced to step down from its board of directors.

 

$500 million for cancer awareness was raised.

"That was the most humbling moment. To get that call - 1. step down as chairman and stay on the board - that wasn't enough for the people, for our supporters. Then a couple weeks later the next call came - we need you to step aside."

 

"I had to think about this a lot. None of my kids have said you're out, none of my friends have said, 'Lance, you're out'. To make that decision to step aside -that was big."

Did they make it for you?

"I wouldn't say I was forced out, I was aware of the pressure. It was the best thing for the organization, but it hurt like hell"

 

Watching all the LA coverge. IMHO, he didn't cheat, the sport was dirty. The doping can be forgiven. But ruining people's lives can't.

@raflopez Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:04:21

Are you facing your demons?

"Absolutely. It's a process, and we're just at the beginning of the process".

 

In our first commercial break, we can safely say that this will be the "touchy-feely" part of the interview, whereas yesterday was more hard-hitting.

Next up, what went through his mind before he tweeted the photo of himself lounging under his seven jerseys, after he'd been banned and stripped of those titles.

 

cancer shield well and truly activated, full deflector mode engaged, going to warp speed

@dimspace Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:08:36

Daniel Benson says "For the last two years, since Landis first dropped those bombs at the Tour of California the entire strategy has been about circling the wagons and protecting this interests and mainly the foundation. He gave up fighting the allegations of doping but was always trying to hang onto the off-bike interests, the foundation".

 

Do you think that banned substances contributed to you getting cancer?

"I don't think so. I've never had a doctor suggest that to me personally"

 

Flash back to the SCA deposition, where he talks about if he tested positive, all his sponsors would go away - everything would be erased.

 

Here we are at this moment, Oprah says.

"I don't like that guy."

Who is that guy?

"That is a guy who felt invincible, who was told he was invincible and truly believed he was invincible. That guy is still there - I'm not going to lie. Does he need to be exiting through this process? Yes."

 

Wow, he's actually mirroring himself on tape. Like a parakeet in front of a mirror.

@SC_Cycling Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:14:50

Do you owe David Walsh an apology?

"I would apologize to David."

What do you say to the millions wearing Livestrong bracelets?

"I say, I understand your anger, your sense of betrayal, you supported me through all of this, you believed and I lied to you. I'm sorry. I will spend, and am committed to spending, as long as I have to to make amends."

 

Daniel Benson: There's such a conflict in the minds of the fans as Armstrong watches the SCA trial videos. There he was, lying under oath and he was so convincing, even though we knew he was lying. Now he's on a show with Oprah and he's attempting to convince the public he's telling the truth. He has a huge battle on his hands here.

It leaves you with the question, what's theatre, and what's reality?

 

Armstrong says he still wants to compete, and that if there was ever a window - he would like to run the Chicago marathon when he's 50 for example, but right now he can't.

 

"This isn't the reason I'm doing this - this might not be the most popular answer. But I think I deserve it. ... I got a death penalty and they got six months," he says, referring to the riders who testified against him.

"I deserve to be punished, I don't think I deserve a death penalty".

 

Oprah confronts him with the tweet of himself and his 7 jerseys. "It was more defiance. I thought it was a good idea at the time".

 

How has it changed the way you see yourself? Has it changed the way you see yourself?

"Not completely."

He admits he is in therapy, and that he needs to do it consistently. "I've had a messy life. That's no excuse - this is going to be a long process".

 

 

Is there real remorse?

"Absolutely. Will it continue to grow? Absolutely. This is just the first steps. I'm paying the price, but I deserve it".

 

What do you think readers, do you believe he feel remorse? Tweet to @cyclingnewsfeed.

 

Lesser men would be crippled by Oprah levels of shame. But lance is a survivor. #liestrong #doprah

@RandalVegter Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:26:05

Were there people who cared about you who wanted you to stop this?

"Of course". Could they have stopped you? "Probably not".

 

Armstrong: "If there was one person it was Kristin (his ex-wife). She believes in honesty and truth, she believes the truth will set you free."

Have you told anybody the whole truth?

"Yeah (laughs)"

 

Armstrong says Kristin was on a "need to know" basis, that he protected her from some of it. He asked her if he could do the comeback, "she said to me, you can do it under one condition, that you never cross that line again" - you mean drugs? - 'yes. I never would have betrayed that with her. It was a serious ask, it was a serious commitment.  I gave her my word". 

 

Armstrong says he thought he could come back and win the Tour, that he was coming back to a clean sport, a level playing field.

How did it feel to come in third?

"I expected to win. I just got beat by two guys who are better. I did everything I could in training, and I just got beat".

 

@Cyclingnewsfeed he sounds like an addict. You can't help them until they help themselves.

@emsprouster Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:29:56

The only reason why he is feeling remorse is because he got caught. There would be no interview otherwise. @cyclingnewsfeed

@BW1978 Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:27:15

@cyclingnewsfeed yes, I do think he feels remorse but his personality won't allow us to really see it....yet.

@savethelegs Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:26:39

He is reconstructing his fable. #doprah #wontgetfooledagain

@therealfakebill Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:33:34

@cyclingnewsfeed: I’d like to forgive Lance, but he is still not done lying #liestrong

@in0s0f Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:34:32

Now Oprah asks him about his oldest son Luke.

"They know it a lot - they hear it in the hallways. Their school, their classmates have been very supportive. Where you lose control is when they go out of that space - Instagram, Twitter..."

 

Armstrong tells of Luke defending him to people, saying it wasn't true....

Lance gets misty eyed...

"Thats when I knew I had to tell him. And he'd never asked me. He never said, Dad, is this true. He trusted me."

 

Apparently it was only just this past month, over the holidays, that he actually admitted to his own son that he doped.

 

"They didn't say much. They didn't say, 'but wait, Dad' - they just accepted it. I told Luke. .. 

(looks at his fingers, hand over his face. Sighs...)

"I said, don't defend me anymore."

How'd he take it?

"He's been remarkably calm and mature about this (sniff).

"They're going to see this, and I told him if any kid says anything to him, tell him my dad said sorry".

 

I can't imagine telling my son I was a liar. You got to feel for #LanceArmstrong and his son. #Oprah #doprah

@RebeccaAguilar Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:41:16

Another commercial break. So far the most emotion Armstrong has shown is when he described admitting to his children that he lied. That has to be tough, but after the break we find out where all his money went. 

 

Yep. RT @nyvelocity: This is genuinely horrible, but this is a self inflicted wound.

@_Gavia_ Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:41:12

"Selfishly yes, but realistically I don't think that's going to happen," LA says of USADA ban, and whether he thinks it will be lifted.

@NYDNSportsITeam Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:42:07

Armstrong was selfish....never considered his children...I truly feel bad for them...not him. #doprah

@hapagal Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:45:25

Next segment: Oprah asks about the USADA 'donation" offer. 

Were you trying to pay off USADA?

"No, that is not true. There were 1000 pages of the reasoned decision, and it wasn't in there."

"I would know (if that happened), and it is not true."

Have you lost everything?

"I've certainly lost all future income. You could look at those few days when people left (Nike etc.) - I don't like thinking about it. But that was a - I don't know - a $75 million day"

 

"It's probably never coming back", Armstrong says of his millions in future income.

"I've been in a dark place (cancer) when I didn't know if I'd live -... this isn't the worst part of my life. You can't compare this to an advanced diagnosis and 50-50 odds. It's close... but I'm an optimist. I like to look forward. This has caused me to look back

"My mom and I are very similar in that regard, we don't talk about the past."

 

Armstrong admits his mother is "a wreck" over the situation. "It took seeing her to understand that this has taken a toll on her life".

 

HEY?!! Did anyone bribe USADA?

@dwuori Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:47:57

I wonder if Lance has ever calculated the cost to @GregLemond when he launched a campaign to smear him and kill his bike line?

@TheRaceRadio Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:50:09

"That guy"?! Bitch, please! Doping isn't a disease. It's a CHOICE. #Doprah

@mplsminx Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:53:20

Another commercial break: the second half of this interview focuses on the costs to Armstrong - emotionally, in his relationships, financially. Has he paid enough, as Jens Voigt contends?

Tweet to @cyclingnewsfeed your views.

 

Will you rise again?

"I don't know - I don't know what's out there. I do not know the outcome here. I'm getting comfortable with that. That would have driven me crazy in the past. I'm getting there - I have to get even more there. I'm deeply sorry for what I did. I can say that thousands of time, and it might not be enough for me to come back".

 

Are you a better human being because of this?

"Without a doubt. This has happened twice in my life."

I can't lose my way again. I'm in no position to make promises, I am going to slip up again. That's the challenge for the rest of my life - to not lose sight of what I gotta do. I had it, and then things got too big, they got too crazy".

What's the moral to this story?

"I don't have a great answer there. I can look at what I did - cheating to win bike races, lying about it, bullying people... we're not supposed to do those things. There's another moral to this story - it was about losing myself, getting caught up in that and doing those things along the way. The ultimate crime is the betrayal of the people who believed in me and supported me, and I lied to them".

 

And that is the end of the interview!

 

In my opinion, as a fan I would like to believe Armstrong is sorry, that he intends to make things right. As a cynic, I feel like he's just setting himself up to get royalties to his story now that his future sporting income has been flushed away.

 

He's still a millionaire, so no matter what he's laughing all the way to the bank #doprah #LieStrong

@Red_Tie_Mafia Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:00:58

Disappointing tonight. No names no nothing. nada.#timeforaproperhearing #DOPRAH

@Krjvance Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:00:46

@Cyclingnewsfeed When he testifies under oath to USADA and WADA, then I'll decide if he's paid enough. #doprah

@Mxhdroom Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:59:25

#cyclingnewsfeed Compared to Pete Rose, he hasn't paid anything.

@Tour87 Sat, 19th Jan 2013 02:57:28

If he is a better person now, and was a better person after cancer, he must have been a real dick pre-cancer. #doprah

@gouldgeorgia Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:03:13

Daniel Benson: Tonight's finale had some poignant moments: Armstrong talking about his kids, a short apology for David Walsh and flat-out denial of Tygart's donation claims. Still there are more questions...

 

Truth might set you free but Tygart won't. Duh. Winning. #LanceArmstrong #Oprah #cycling

@cyclingreporter Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:06:48

don't think I've ever turned my television off feeling physically sick but this was the time... whole attempt to control narrative clear

@willfoth Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:09:32

@willfoth Precisely. Entire interview riddled with contradictions. Problem with trying to write your own narrative is you need consistency.

@SkyOrla Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:08:48

RT @TheDPate: The truth will set you free

@JeremyPowers Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:08:30

RT @WSJSports: Choice bits from Armstrong: on competing again-- "This may not be the most popular answer, but I think I deserve it." #doprah

@ArgoJournal Sat, 19th Jan 2013 03:12:55

This will conclude our "live blog" of the Armstrong interview. We're left with more questions than we came in with - there was no mention of Bruyneel, no mention of any testimony against the UCI or other officials. There was really nothing new except for Armstrong finally admitting he's "a jerk" and "a bully".

Now that this is behind us, please - go ride your bikes this weekend, enjoy the feeling of liberation that two wheels brings, watch some bike racing and have some fun.

Thanks for reading.

 

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