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Armstrong bought "Million Dollar" Triple Crown victory, claims Gaggioli

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December 13, 2013, 15:18,
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December 13, 2013, 15:43
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Second Edition Cycling News, Friday, December 13, 2013
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Mercatone Uno and Coors Light riders received payments

Former rider Roberto Gaggioli has alleged that Lance Armstrong paid him $100,000 to allow him to claim the third and final leg of the Thrift Drug Triple Crown of Cycling in June 1993. The series carried prize money of $1 million for any rider who succeeded in winning all three races – the Thrift Drug Classic, the K-Mart West Virginia Classic and the CoreStates USPRO Championship in Philadelphia.

Speaking to Corriere della Sera and the Italian magazine Cycling Pro, Gaggioli revealed how Armstrong - by then world champion - arrived at his room in a hotel in Bergamo in October of that year and paid out the fee in cash. “It was a young American colleague [at the door]. He gave me a cake wrapped as a present, wished me ‘Happy Christmas' and then left,” Gaggioli said. “There was $100,000 dollars in small bills in the box. That colleague was Lance Armstrong.”

The Italian Gaggioli raced for the majority of his career in the United States and was racing for the Coors Light team in Philadelphia, an event he had previously won in 1988, while Armstrong was riding for Motorola. Gaggioli's New Zealand teammate Stephen Swart - who later rode for Motorola with Armstrong - has previously testified that Armstrong paid out $50,000 to be distributed among the Coors Light team during the second race of the series in West Virginia. Swart made the claim in 2006 when he provided evidence during court action between SCA Promotions and Armstrong over unpaid bonuses following his sixth Tour de France win.

“Lance approached me before the start [in Philadelphia]. He said that my team, Coors Light, was in agreement and spoke to me about the compensation: $100,000,” said Gaggioli. “Two laps from the finish, I got in the winning break with Lance, Bobby Julich and some Italians from Mercatone Uno. Lance turned to me and I pretended that I didn’t see him attacking, and he won alone.”

The four Mercatone Uno riders in the winning move were Simone Biasci, Angelo Canzonieri, Massimo Donati and Roberto Pelliconi, who confirmed that they too had reached an agreement with Armstrong. “Canzonieri and Lance agreed on ‘fifty’: Angelo was thinking in dollars, Lance in lira,” Pelliconi told Corriere della Sera. “At the Tour of Lombardy, he gave us 50 million lira, which saved 40 percent given the exchange rate.”

Biasci pointed out that Armstrong’s offer was of a magnitude that they could not refuse. “We earned more in a day than our teammates did in three weeks at the Giro d’Italia,” he said.

While Armstrong’s negotiations with the Coors Light and Mercatone Uno riders helped secure him victory in Philadelphia and Triple Crown prize. Armstrong opted to take the immediate one-time payment of $600,000 rather than $50,000 per year for 20 years.

With unintended irony, the New York Times of June 7, 1993 reported Armstrong’s success by noting that the prize money had been covered by an insurance policy organisers had taken out with Lloyds’ of London. “The biggest payoff in the history of this sport wasn't exactly $1 million in small, unmarked bills,” the New York Times wrote in an article entitled, "Armstrong feels like a million bucks."

Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France victories in October, 2012 following USADA's investigation of his former US Postal team, and he confessed to doping in January of this year.

taborpolkadots 10 months ago
Something tells me that the swimming win as a 12 year-old was not legit either!
GuyIncognito 10 months ago
He had EPO lollypops
TShame 10 months ago
I knew this when it first happened. So what. He was honest enough to pay what he promised. Actually, all of the teams agreed from the start of the first race, that if anyone could win the first two races, the other teams would grant that rider the third victory. It was good for cycling.
TheFred 10 months ago
This is just gross to me. Even though there are a lot of posts reminding me of the fact that buying races has been going on since the beginning. But to think all this was going on "under my nose" as I was racing clean and thinking it was all was an honest competition. I'm not totally naive; I knew guys were on the juice--roids, amphetamines, or who knows--but I'm a bit sickened by the "anything goes" behavior to win sporting events. I thought it was an honorable endeavor, seems I thought wrong.
WillieTheWaiter 10 months ago
Maybe some would see the option of sharing a bunch of cash that would end up in no ones hands across the peloton as 'honourable'?! Ask yourself - why are these guys racing bikes? To make money / earn a living... Not that hard to figure out is it!?
Aapjes 10 months ago
Willie, The money comes from somewhere. If Lance wouldn't have won it, it would have ended up in the hands of other people. Probably the shareholders of Lloyds, which may mean pension funds, small investors, etc. Their money was taken by fraud.
sbroaddus 10 months ago
TShame is yet another savant who comes out to tell us that TShame knew it when it first happened. And then TShame touts the honesty of Big Tex and tells us the fix was good for cycling! TShame has no shame.
Chuck_T 10 months ago
He only paid that money to level the playing field.
TheBean 10 months ago
Good one, Chuck. Clever. I was dismayed (originally) by the drug use, downtrodden when I learned of the intimidation and bullying, and - now - completely disgusted by open bribery.
epofuel 10 months ago
Races are bought and sold all the time, both at the amateur level and professional level. During one TDF broadcast, as the breakaway was heading towards the line, a few riders spoke to each other. Richard Virenque was announcing the race, and just after that he knew who was going to win, and who was paid off. The rider won... Vino bought LBL. Gaggioli, I am sure, is clean as snow. Yeah right - he´s an italian doper like all the others. No better than Lance.
aeromono 10 months ago
is anyone better than Lance? Your subjective rationalizations are always so random - if Lance turned out to be a serial killer, you would write a long list of serial killers who were "just as bad", people do it all the time... strange way to look at the world. Comparing Lance to other cyclists, the article IS ABOUT LANCE buying a race, not about doping, or Virenque. Stop trying to deflect and project, Lance is a crook, straight up, and the worst apple on a bad tree.
epofuel 10 months ago
aeromono, Chop down the WHOLE TREE. I´ve been saying this all along. Chop it all down. You forget that Lance was not the beginning. He was just a soldier in an old war. Buying a race is as old as cycling itself. If you want to condemn Lance, you gotta go back and redo all the other bought races.
Matthew Franks 10 months ago
I have to back this one too, here in Germany many Amateur Races our bought and sold. Nothing new here, I was even proud of a friend of mine who won a race last year in Kandel as he refused to make a deal with a stronger team and dropped their Leader in the end. And for all you thinking, Amateur, come on over and try it, you will see quick that many Amateur A class riders are at Pro level and only chose their Career instead of Pro cycling.
TShame 10 months ago
I can't believe how many people do not know that races are at times bought and sold. I'll bet none of them ever saw a post-Tour de France criterium. Sean Kelly would buy victories for his domestics as a reward for their hard work.
Oxygen Vector 10 months ago
epofuel is dead on right about this one. Any one who holds up Gaggioli as some kind of saint, Hahahahahahahaha Even in local crits you get deals all the time "I wont contest the primes if you let me take the win". But I forget this forum is loaded with guys who dont even race. So...nevermind
WillieTheWaiter 10 months ago
Vino.. I'm sure the Olympics was coincidence too right..? Whaaaat can't believe I got sprinted when looking over my wrong shoulder for an exceptionally long time 500m from the finish
Aapjes 10 months ago
TShame, Those criteriums are not races though, they are exhibition events. Everyone knows this. Fixing those events (usually by the organizers) is completely different from fixing a real race.
longshadow 10 months ago
seems those former riders suffering with amnesia are starting to get their memories back. and their courage. let the games begin.
Stalky 10 months ago
Those former riders disgust me just as much as Lance. They weren't forced to take the money, but they did anyway. And now they are using that to attack Lance, while rationalizing their own decisions to take the bribe. This is so sick on so many levels.
MileHigh 10 months ago
What would you do if someone offered you $100,000 in cash garunteed money? Come on, who wouldn't struggle to turn it down?
bing181 10 months ago
What would you do if someone offered you a few vials that guaranteed you'd earn $100 000+ in cash? Come on, who wouldn't struggle to turn it down?
bowchickabowow 10 months ago
I wouldn't turn it down and I wouldn't come back 20 years later and tell the press about it. When Lance is being torn down in a way that is unprecedented, Roberto a-hole Gaggioli wants to get a little press. Gaggioli spent most of his career throwing elbows, cutting off and hooking Cat 2's in American crits, and couldn't make it in the big leagues. He was a d-bag then, and it seems like he hasn't changed. I guaran-f'ing-tee Gaggioli was drinking whatever juice he could get his hands on to win the flat US races he won 20 years ago. Have another cigarette and go back to obscurity Gaggioli. I want to go back to forgetting all about you now. You were as dirty as they came....Lance played dirty to be the worlds best...you played dirty to win $100 primes in industrial park crits.
crankles 10 months ago
BINGO!. We're actually listening to Roberto "2x4" Gaggioli. Please.
epofuel 10 months ago
I raced against Gag, by the way. He´s a sorry fellow. Couldn´t cut in Italy, and was a sub-par rider in the US. Pansy. Totally agree with bowchickabowbow.
TheFred 10 months ago
EPO, I appreciate many of your sentiments but not so sure I agree with Gag being sub-par in the USA. I think it was '88 when he lapped the field twice to win a major crit (Subaru?) on Saturday in DC then caught a plane and won the US Championship at 156 miles in Philly the next day. He was clearly doped and as another wrote, rode dirty, but he won plenty at the highest level the USA had to offer.
Eddie73 10 months ago
Hahaha - Roberto Gaggioli. He WISHES he'd been paid to give away a race. He's among the lowest of the low. I once caught him stealing a wheel after a crit in Northern California. I'm not sure he needed a wheel, I think he stole it because it was there.
epofuel 10 months ago
Stalky, dead on. Absolutely spot on. The bribe taker is as bad, if not worse, than the bribe offerer...
aeromono 10 months ago
Everyone in the country raced against gaggioli, he was a good sprinter and not as dirty as some (dave mcxxxx). a crowd favorite and a real character. He won a lot of races. He was known for partying and doping but he actually helped some riders careers rather than destroy them. the 2x4 thing was a johnny sundt thing, another crit bully.
epofuel 10 months ago
Gaggioli was second-rate at best, and bitter about it. He better hope mouths don´t open about his own doings.
brucegolla 10 months ago
Ha! I remember the Gaggioli war with Johnny Sundt. Those guys would run someone into the ditch for being French, or just to laugh about it. Crit bullies are a US phenomenon. I probably raced with you at some point
Justin O'Pinion 10 months ago
Look at the next article on CN with Froome with his hands in the air celebrating his "victory" in Japan. There's little or no difference to what happened here.
TheFred 10 months ago
I thought the post tour crits were arranged by the promoter so it was somewhat scripted before the start for all the riders. Is that not correct?
sbroaddus 10 months ago
that's correct. the post tour crits are fixed and everyone knows it. any other "real" race on the calendar is assumed to be unfixed and a true test of team vs. team and rider vs. rider. occasionally there is collusion among varying players as a race reaches its finale, which happens from time to time, but my own humble hunch is that it is not as often as some of the know-it-all posters here claim.
MonkeyFace 10 months ago
I kind of feel bad for the insurer that paid out the 1 million. They probably didn't have any idea how likely it would be that the riders would sell out the race to split the winnings.
DavidConnell 10 months ago
It is not breaking news that throughout the history of bike racing, races have been bought and sold — it was a relatively common practice and not much of a secret. Somewhere, years ago, I read a quote attributed to Eddy Merckx, along the lines of: a great champion may buy a race, but would never sell one. The sport has been sick for a long time.
JantonStentenan 10 months ago
I wouldn't call it sick. It's just the way it is. I don't think people understand that you have to earn the right to buy a race. When I first got to the North of France there was a pecking order. If you were told you were not going to win then you didn't win and you were payed handsomely for it. No one was coming up and striking up deals in the beginning with me. I was told what to do. But after a while you prove yourself, you get in with the right people, and train like hell and soon the results start coming your way. And then you're the one going up to people in a race and saying, "Don't even think about winning this one today."
Tony M 10 months ago
Will you be going to the Truth and Reconciliation hearings ? Are you prepared to come completely clean and admit publically on this sight that you are a cheat in the same way as dopers ? Ive read your postings frequently with some scepticism.In future I shall not pause to read your valueless comments.
JantonStentenan 10 months ago
How the heck did you come to the conclusion that I'm a cheat from that post. I'm just giving you a history lesson. If you think that what I did was wrong in any way then you obviously don't live in the real world. Because in the real world it's called business. You have to earn your keep in life -- and that goes for cycling as well. It probably goes more for cycling. It was a hard cruel world back in that day. It wasn't as glamorized as it is now. If you wanted to stay alive and not be compeletly and utterly molested by the hard men, then you had to be one of the hard men. And that's what I did -- I became one of the hard men.
epofuel 10 months ago
So true, man, so true. I too raced in France and that is exactly how it was. In Belgium as well. Cycling is a business and life is a business and so few on this forum have woken up to that fact.
rocket man 10 months ago
I always like reading your posts Janton. I'm so sick of all the wingers on this site that have only ever raced in their local masters race scene and therefore think they know everything. Its good to have someone like yourself on this site.
JantonStentenan 10 months ago
Don't sell yourself short. We need people like us to not just sit quiet but to get involved.
Justin O'Pinion 10 months ago
I've said it before and I will say it again, people don't call themselves hard men, other people do. You raced over here in Europe and that is impressive, however... "George likes his chicken spicy."
sbroaddus 10 months ago
nice comment, Justin. if a guy calls himself a hard man, you can bet he is softer than a baby's bottom.
JantonStentenan 10 months ago
Then maybe you and Justin would like to go for a little ride with me, epofuel, and rocket man. Those days might be well in the past but believe me, anyone who came up in that era can still kick it. So just let us know who we shall be kicking.
Alan D 10 months ago
Point made completely... amatuer sport is sport... proffessional sport is business... anyone who even intimates otherwise has obviously not been there. Your remarks about "qualification" in espoirs and Am Cat1 are as true now as they ever were. I raced in Italy where the Cat1,2,3 team structures were much more sophisticated than northern Europe, and even then there was a serious pecking order, not even within the teams. Racing with the much more individualistic racers in north France and Belgium was seriously gritty and stratified. It's called natural selection. The toughest , the meanest , and the smartest. Summarily, that's what defines the Hard Men. 'on you Janton.
sbroaddus 10 months ago
Janton, you know what I say about people who pat themselves on the back too hard?... they end up falling on their face. Like Justin said, if someone else wants to call you a hard man, fine. If you call yourself a hard man, well, that will put you squarely in the poser camp, a real hard man knows this to be true.
Tony M 10 months ago
A "Hard Man" prepared to do what it takes to win ! SO I TOOK ! But you must understand it was business,and thats what you do in business isn't it,take bribes ? Its good to see anyone who took PEDS or accepted bribes confess and help to clean up the sport/business,but to do so with pride in having done it is well............regretful.
JantonStentenan 10 months ago
I apologize for nothing. A bribe insinuates secrecy or knowledge only between two parties, but that is not the case. Everyone knew and still knows what is going on. People who compare exchanging money with doping are absolutely out of their minds. Unlike in the U.S. there is a lot of money in amateur racing in Europe. Teams actually make money and riders actually get paid. That's why "amateur teams" in the North of France, Belgium, etc., would totally demolish "pros" in the U.S. Because a lot of riders who could get professional contracts choose to stay amateur because it is more lucrative. I remember a few seasons when I actually made less money as a pro than as an amateur. This is just the way it is and I wouldn't change it. Sure it's a harsh world, but it's a world where only results matter and a world where if you survive it, you can survive anywhere.
Tony M 10 months ago
I see a clear connection between accepting (not exchanging !) money and doping. Both are means of manipulating a result.Buying a win at lower levels of racing quite probably encouraged the use of drugs at a higher level when it became harder to buy a result pre race. Buying a win by riders in a breakaway is realistic compared to Teams, all with funds, but with the need to win for the sponsors rather than accepting money to loose.When you cant buy the race desparate teams and riders found alternate means of gaining an unfair advantage.....doping.This isn't new it goes back a long way, to the days when wealthy sponsorship was introduced as altenative to riders competing for prize money. Its not true that every one knew about the doping and the bribery,hence the "omerta" Think, if the insurers of prize money knew would they have covered the bonuses ? If sponsors like Rabbobank knew why did they withdraw when the truth came out ?Did the public ,the millions who turn out to watch the Tour know that Armstrong was winning because drug free riders were largely excluded from winning if not from riding? True most adults realise that top amateurs of any sport are not unpaid or without financial support. that however is much different from payment to not give 100 percent
bigmig1000 10 months ago
fact is that, if LA truly did paid Gaggioli 100K and the rest of the breakaway $50K each, they probably earned more with that deal than they did in their respective annual salaries. They probably also made more than if they had won the race and screwed up the triple crown. Does that make it OK. Yep. The press had a field day with it. the sponsors used it all up. I think you people forget this is also a business. Check Nascar to see if any of their "special" purses wereever rigged or cheating went on to win. I just think the cycling world is nieve to think this will ever stop. Hell the folks at Cyclingnews.com love all of this contriversy. it drive more posts, which drives more people logged on, which drives high advertising prices.
rhodescl 10 months ago
If, as the article implies, Lance paid out at least $50k for the second race and then $300k for the third race, then paid tax on the whole $600k, it would have cost him money to win the prize. This seems highly unlikely for someone at that age. Either I'm missing something or the person who made up this story wasn't thinking through the numbers very well.
TheBean 10 months ago
I think the article states that the $50K was split between the rest of the break rather than $50K per rider. That would help explain the math. If there were performance incentives from his title sponsors, that would help ease the financial blow of the payments. Increased future contract value would also make up for the investment.
Jesus from Cancun 10 months ago
Bravo.
Oxygen Vector 10 months ago
The great Jacques Anquetil cut deals all the time. He even wrote about it, lol. To read some of these comments on here make me literally lol
HeadPack 10 months ago
It's a pro sport, so no real surprise. It's only sold as competition. Most, if not all criteriums are rigged as well, to have the expensive stars at the podium. Would be no surprise if Vino's alleged payment was confirmed one day as well. We don't read or hear much about such deals, but I think those claims are legit. Not particularly because Armstrong was involved, but because it's pro-cycling.
bignslow 10 months ago
For those who know about European cycling, buying races and stages is not uncommon. Deals are made, many times in the break aways. So, with someone as amoral as Armstrong, nothing really surprises me.
bigmig1000 10 months ago
this poor guy cannot catch a break anywhere, i am sincerely starting to feel sad for him. Fine time for all of the other guys in the winning break (20 yrs ago) to jump on the band wagon. Let's sue LA for these winnings too. but did any of them give the money back to Lloyd's or did they spend it happily. if anybody thinks these types of deals are rare, you are so wrong. Crits in the US and Europe have been scripted way before Hulk Hogan was wrestling. Hell, from what I have read the entire six-day circuit is scripted; played out like a soap opera. And if anybody does not think grand tour stages are not "negotiated" your are really delusional
Snitor 10 months ago
That doesn't make it ok. You have to be kidding with "poor guy cannot catch a break anywhere". Please, give us a break!
pleyser 10 months ago
I think bigmig's comparison to pro wrestling is a good one. Predetermined outcomes (not always in cycling of course), drug use, larger than life heroes and a number of premature deaths.
Snitor 10 months ago
Wrestling you know it is fixed. And to compare those festive crits to a real race? Come on! If you think paying other competitors to win a bonus from a sponsor and become more famous is acceptable, there is something wrong with you. That is imoral and criminal. And I'm stunned that people are thumbing up comments in favor of such an absurd action.
epofuel 10 months ago
No, Snitor, that is HOW THE WORLD WORKS. Man, what planet do you live on? Does the world turn the same way? Do the people all take care of each other? It´s all fixed, brother, it´s all fixed. No, it isn´t GOOD, but that´s the reality. Lance was already famous. Deals are made everyday. Like Janton said, you HAVE TO EARN THE RIGHT TO BUY A RACE.
derBazi! 10 months ago
WHAT! Wrestling is fixed? Say it ain't so Randy! Cap'n Lou, really? No Roddy! You all just ruined my childhood.
cheesy friday 10 months ago
Big deal. It's a sport, but also a job, and everyone likes a bonus. It's a story as old as professional sport.
deepea 10 months ago
Roberto- Pot, kettle, black
The Chicken 10 months ago
For anyone who hasn't quite worked it out yet: most professional sport is rigged (and doped). Anyone who takes it seriously is just an idiot.
Snitor 10 months ago
The sponsor who payed 600,000 did. And if anyone willing to spend his/her hours in a website dedicated to pro cycling news does not, I guess the joke is on them.
TheBean 10 months ago
The sponsor who paid the money was buying publicity. They received a return for their investment. Whether or not it was a smart investment on their part is up to the marketing department's analysis of their budget.
Oxygen Vector 10 months ago
Exactly TheBean. Pure entertainment dollars. And it was a great move too.
philpaque 10 months ago
Nothing unusual here. These payment recipients made more by not contesting the finish than winning. And many of them had little chance of winning it anyway.
bianchi1885 10 months ago
I totally agree, this is SOP in the European peloton, particularly Lance's era and before. "These aren't the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along."
philrides 10 months ago
They had zero chance of winning the million dollars, since only the guy who won the first race could possibly win the million. That's why he paid a little to win the 2nd, and a lot to win the 3rd. And that's why these types of bonuses are silly - after the first race there can be only one winner, and that guy will always try to buy off the remaining wins to ensure some prize.
TheBean 10 months ago
Good point, Phil. The math is simple. "Let's work together to bring more prize money into the peleton, then slice the pie accordingly."
Raphael Larrinaga 10 months ago
If Armstrong would actually 'come clean', and truly reveal everything he knows about cheating in cycling, this kind of stuff wouldn't come back to haunt him. As long as he continues to pretend that he was competing on a level playing field, he will always be at risk of some past transgression being exposed by someone who knows the truth. If ever there is a prime example of the truth setting someone free, it is the sorry plight of Lance Armstrong.
Gary333 10 months ago
It's more of a case of kick him when he's down. I'm sure they felt really bad taking and spending the money 20 years ago along with the monies they took from other riders doing the same thing throughout their careers!
epofuel 10 months ago
I will say what I have said over and over...in the end, history will be kind to Lance Armstrong. All of these vindictive minions cheated and lied and tried to buy races and none came out on top. Lance beat a whole bunch of crooked, corrupt riders in a corrupt system at their own game. Races have been bought and sold since the beginning of racing. I am glad to see the number of people on here who get that! As for truth, you can find that in the afterlife. Here on planet earth, it´s Money That Matters.
aeromono 10 months ago
I was going to laugh at the dripping sarcasm in the first two sentences, then I realized you are really delusional enough to think anyone will think Lance was anything but what he was - a lying bully who hid behind a dubious cancer foundation, who tried to ruin the lives of anyone who stuck up to him. He will have no money soon, he burned through more than 50 million JUST THIS YEAR and has no marketable skill set other than pedaling a bicycle and lying and cheating. Maybe a future on Wall Street, I could actually see that.
epofuel 10 months ago
Look, hombre, I am not a Lance fan. I make observations and try to point out double standards where they exist. If Lance was a lying bully, then cycling was also full of lying bullies. They were all the same, although now Lance appears to be the symbol of that. But Spanish and French and Italian teams were full of bullying and doping during that time, they just didn´t whine as much. Whether Lance keeps his money or not is not important. What is important is that more people than just Lance take the fall. It is ok to hate Lance, but if you do, you must be irate that the Giro will honor Pantani, that Riis is still in cycling, and that all of the ex USPS slimeballs are not banned for life from the sport. Lance did those things you say he did. He was caught. He was banned. Tyler Hamilton hid behind a dubious Multiple Sclerosis foundation and is still considered a nice guy. Floyd Landis had his ´floyd fairness fund´and looks set to get ahold of a large part of LA´s cash. Doesn´t that seem wrong to you?
Ziraffe 10 months ago
I agree with you : It seems very wrong. Lance is suffering for all of them just because they are making him the symbol they want him to be. He's the martyr created to supposedly try and discourage other riders from doping. That's some sick business because it ain't going to work a bit. But imagine this : they punish everyone equally, wether they finished 5th 17 years ago in a 1.2 event or won 7 Tour de France. Would that be working. Grand tour palmares would be emptied, no names shall remain and we could start history back at zero. Then it would start all over again the same it works right now. Stupid as that. I don't think there is a solution to those cheating problems they have now in cycling. (those problems also exist in other professional sport leagues, they just act blind)
Oxygen Vector 10 months ago
Lets see aeromono. Lance , according to you "burned through 50 million" and Im sure thats more than you will make in 50,000 years. Fess up. You are a jealous little twit, lol
pete23 10 months ago
O2, you need to get a better job if you are only making a 1,000 bucks a year