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Video: Brailsford talks about Froome's power data

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July 20, 2013, 14:03,
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July 20, 2013, 15:07
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Second Edition Cycling News, Saturday, July 20, 2013
Dave Brailsford (Team Sky)

Dave Brailsford (Team Sky)

  • Dave Brailsford (Team Sky)
  • Chris Froome (Sky) in action during stage 19 from Bourg d'Oisans to Le Grand Bornand
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Team Sky manager calls on people to back race leader

Team Sky manager Dave Brailsford has again called on the media and the fans to believe in Chris Froome after his dominant performance at the Tour de France.

The British manager suggested the first Tour de France after the Lance Armstrong affair was "probably the worst Tour to try to win."

Speaking to a group of media, including the Cyclingnews video team, Brailsford said sentiment and suspicion was understandable but called on people to back Froome.

"You'd expect that the public who trusted in this sport for a long time to be a bit angry and a bit frustrated with what they found out. It's understandable," Brailsford said.

"I think people believed in the Lance era when deep down maybe they knew they shouldn't have. They are [doing that now] and disbelieving in Chris, where deep down they probably know they should."

"Where the authorities look back on the Armstrong era and think 'we did a bit too little at that time to uncover what was going on', I'd say that hopefully they say now that they're doing a bit too little to protect Chris and demonstrate the support he deserves, that's my take on the situation."

Brailsford said he feels hurt for the doubts about Froome.

"We can't expect people to have 100 per cent confidence in this sport after the recent past, but I think we can optimize the level of confidence and get it as high as it could realistically go," he said.

"We'll do everything we can to achieve that because Chris and the rest of the team have work incredibly hard for this. He's been fantastic member of team for a number of years. He started from very, very humble beginnings in bike racing and made himself to top of podium. He's doing it the right way. And while we've got to be patient, when I watch, I know what's going on, and I watch someone is absolutely doing it the right way, the same as the whole team. And when you watch the treatment that he gets, it's quite hurtful, you feel for the lad and I don’t think he deserves it."

Brailsford appeared irritated by suggestions from the media that the Grappe power analysis was not complete and that more should be done to help prove Froome performances are credible.

"I think we've got to be careful. Because every time we try and support something if all you guys are going to do is say 'It's all well and good but you haven't don’t that,' we're not going to win are we? Either we get behind this lad or we don't," he said.

ridleyrider More than 1 year ago
I guess we will see
Moose McKnuckles More than 1 year ago
Same garbage as in the Lance era. Just recycled and now being sold by Brailsford instead of Bruyneel.
vrusimov More than 1 year ago
Yeah, this is some serious sophist subterfuge. Again, where is the 2010 data? The reason cycling is where it is currently is because of the propensity for lying, denial, evasion and duplicity that is too much a part of cycling. The PR stunt isn't playing well because it is so blatantly transparent as to be laughable.
vrusimov More than 1 year ago
I think that Froome has been good enough to beat Wiggins since the Vuelta. Salamanca and Pena Cabarga prove it, especially having worked for Wiggins in that tour. Wiggins targeted Salamanca for a result and he was beaten by half a minute. I think he has been hiding form since then, at least when he wasn't making it clear that he was above Wiggins on the climbs. He was good enough to beat Wiggins at the Tour in 2012 as well. I think there is something between Wiggins and Froome and it has nothing to do with a bad knee. Asked what it was like being compared to Armstrong, he says "I take that as a compliment".
red_flanders More than 1 year ago
As long as you get the puppets like Phil and Paul to repeat the talking points you can carry a good part of the US public. Obfuscation is the only goal.
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
he has said he is happy to release the 2010 data too. once he has released that data, i'm sure you will come up with another excuse for why it isnt relevant. just admit you're a bad loser. where is Quintanas data. where is rodriguez data. where is sagan's data? why don't you start asking those qusestions?
The Chicken More than 1 year ago
Not this again. The riders you listed... nobody is screaming for their data because they haven't had miraculous transformations like Froome. They've always shown great potential/ability. This was never the case with Froome. Make sense now?
mononck More than 1 year ago
Has Quintana ALWAYS shown great potential? He finishes 2nd with the white and polka dot jerseys in his FIRST TdF! Amazing you don't find this suspicious. Bad looser.
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
No - they've just been consistently good, which is very suspicious.
Ripper More than 1 year ago
mononck - are you serious about Quintana? He's been a phenom since the day he started racing. The day he started. And he has had bad days in races. But from day 1 he has show stage race potential. No transformations. BTW, before someone starts saying "but but but", sure, I think we should see his data too. I think the whole data thing should apply to all.
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
yes - but but but. that's exxactly what they say about froome even though he has been dope tested about 50 times this year, even though he gives his bioloigcal passport data, even though he now gives the power data that the french journo asked for, even though Dave B went to WADA and UKAD to ask for their help to analyse whatever data they could, eventhough Sky has had the most aggressive anti-doping stance in the peloton since its foundation and the list will go on and on and on. if you want to be a cynic, you can say but but but but but about any rider forever. there is no way to prove a negative, but fortunately there is the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
junkie More than 1 year ago
Oh, look, it's "Chris Todgers" all over the place again. Working even on Saturday, poor guy.
mononck More than 1 year ago
That's uncanny! Your acronym matches your comments...
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
Oh, look, its "junkie" all over the place again. Working even on Saturday, poor guy.
danjo007 More than 1 year ago
hahaha. yes togers is a complete nutcase - the pathetic person has made quite the name for himself here
vrusimov More than 1 year ago
Because Quintana wasn't made to look like a club cyclist on the top of Ventoux. Froome's acting job wasn't enough to imbue Quintana with enough power to work with him. My view of Sky and Froome amounts to this: "Make 5,000.00 in one hour doing absolutely nothing, click here for details."
veganpotter More than 1 year ago
Well there's two things that 2010 data can show. He wasn't very fast so if his wattage was high....then he was racing with really bad brake rub. If his wattage was really low...then he basically had to make a 20% improvement in a year or two which is possible for a little kid or a beginner that rides 50-60miles per week.
Uncle_Tod More than 1 year ago
I guess we'll have to wait a few months for the positive dope test if there is one to believe Brailsfords story.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
No. Better that you should wait for the first positive one before DISbelieving it. The time to believe in the new start is now.
deemfingtee More than 1 year ago
Blah blah believe blah blah new start. Pretty sure we heard this message a few times in the past 15 years. I'll believe in Cadel, and that's about it. Even he had some shady interactions in the past.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
Even if you think this way, you must agree with the fact that Uncle Tod's post is illogical. This is partly the point I am making. If you "wait a few months for the positive dope test if there is one to believe Brailsfords story" you won't ever believe it. If there were a positive test you would not believe it. If you wait for one and there never is one it seems you would still not believe it. Beat's me, that "logic."
really? More than 1 year ago
I would be really surprised if there is a positive test in the next couple of months. Brailsford and Leinders were too smart for that. They would have to be extremely careless to test positive, or a disgruntled team mate or ex-employee will have to roll over before they are caught. Or are they on something not banned or undetectable?
Highwaystar More than 1 year ago
Seems people like you "don't get it", either. Virtually mocking someone's suspicions based on innocent until proven guilty in a sport that has had it's biggest shake up since it was started. The fact is, people have had enough of this smoke and mirrors BS and Froome's acting in the mountain stages, TTs, hell anywhere the team car told him to lay it on thick was so obvious is truly was a joke. And then the next day Brailsford calls for everyone to believe the hype. No. We will not. Blow this wide open and lay everything out on the table and WIN our support.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
I,m not mocking anything, but pointing our Uncle Tod's failed logic. Just look at it again. No I quite accept your approach but also I not it's a waste of time to imagine that anything would ever change your opinion. Too hard hit by our old former friend.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
* note
deemfingtee More than 1 year ago
Yes I agree that we shouldn't wait for a positive test. But I believe Froome will never test positive, but that does not mean that I believe he is taking his vitamins and saying his prayers.
Benito More than 1 year ago
We've been fooled for at least seven years before.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
And if you think you are being fooled now, you are frightened of your shadow.
Altimus Chang More than 1 year ago
Because Froome has years of results that explain his grand tour peloton destruction. Oh, wait.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
Those with years of results aren't generally winning. Let's not go through all the arguments all over again - and again!
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
well as its the first GT when he has been a team leader, that's not altogether surprising is it Altimus?
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
And I think you have to agree that Barloworld were not exactly a top team, so why should one expect Froome to have excelled on the road while riding for them. You would concede, I am sure, that Sky is an altogether more formidable outfit.
thehog More than 1 year ago
Barloworld should get back into cycling. Re-hire Froome. If only the saw the diamond in the rough that he really is. I'm a big fan of Froome and Sky. When Froome won the Atomic Jock race in 2007 I knew one day he'd win the Tour by riding faster than Armstrong.
maplethedog More than 1 year ago
:-)
bbbici More than 1 year ago
well, looks like a move up to third in a few years after the revelations come out is the best Contador can hope for. Froome has to be on something, he prettty much came from nowhere and has made chumps out of the sport's best climbers and TTers. He is not a 20 year old phenom, it would be the equivalent of a moderately successful university track sprinter becoming Usain Bolt in two seasons.
Philip Holman More than 1 year ago
What's he on besides 600 miles a week? I don't know and neither do you. As for, the winner must be cheating because he wasn't doing this a few years ago. I think we should run this reason by the doping controls people and see if they will accept in their list of rules as proof of cheating. What do you think. What I think is that your comments are based on your own limited perceptions and biases and have no place in intelligent discourse except as chuckle material.
veganpotter More than 1 year ago
Philip...think about how good of an athlete you are now if you've been training for years and years and have met some sort of plateau. Now imagine...two years of work and you've become 20% better. Sometimes all you need is common sense. Hindsight is 20/20...we know what Lance did. I think its time for forsight for once!!!
Altimus Chang More than 1 year ago
Haha. Johan Brailsford trying to pretend leaving off the earliest data wasn't intentional. Where was this power at Barloworld? Before Barloworld? Is anyone surprised a British team is destroying the peloton with a Yorkshire start for the Tour de France next year? Grab those tourism board/tax dollars guys!
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
You really delude yourself sufficiently to believe this is true? They are winning this year because the Tour starts in Yorkshire next year? Nothing to do with Froome, Porte, the team, the management, the support and everything that is happening this year! It's all about next year. Yes of course. No, on second thoughts, do explain the reasoning, as it sadly defeats me!
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
Well thank you for your insightful comments Altimus. Genius.
maplethedog More than 1 year ago
Faaaaannnnnbbbbooooyyyyyy...
ridleyrider More than 1 year ago
As much as I am skeptical, power data from Barloworld is not likely to yield anything at all. I work in a field where data collection and storage is quite critical. To even evaluate such data, there is simply too much involved. One has to consider testing protocol, calibration of testing equipment, and compatibility of test software, margin of error for both, compatibility of software to store/retrieve, his position on the bike, quite a number of things. To do this properly would take months. Who is going to even do the retrieval and interpretation? Establishing an agreed upon methodology for interpretation would be another story entirely. Bringing in potentially corrupt results generated by possibly flawed and/or non-standardized testing methods would waste everyone's time. Legally, the results would be too easy to contest and arguments over proper interpretation would abound. Would wind up costing entirely too much money for little to no real result. "Bring in his power data" is just not that easy.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
At last a breath of fresh air in all this techno-babble! Thank you sir.
Ripper More than 1 year ago
A problem for DB is that in the beginning, he promised full transparency. Period. And that has not occurred. Every time he/Sky "give" more info, it is still hardly full transparency. Power data alone for the past two years would hardy be that inconsistent. Grappe is not one to enter into controversy, so sending select data to him is not really going to do much to alleviate concerns. DB could lead the way. He could send data to a team of experts, conservative and more controversial. If he is truly that worried about damage to his brand (versus just controlling some spin), then lead the way. Make some of the data public. Will some people cry foul? Of course they will. But they are now, so what is the loss? Really, if he is d@mned if he does and d@mned if he doesn't, then just do it but ensure more data gets to an expert panel and pressure all the teams to do the same. Of course some will ask, why should he? Well, it's all about demand in a form of entertainment. If there is true damage to the brand, then that would be why he should :)
Threepar More than 1 year ago
Well said! Team Sky have touted being clean since they started and even last year fired people for having a past with doping, yet they fail to show full transparency like they said they would. Giving the power data for the past 2 years is a start, but they should have given it since he started with Sky so people can look at his progression to see if it is normal
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
power data for the last few years would not be inconsistent if he were doping?! you're just making this drivel up aren't you? the data was obviously enough to satisfy one of France's leading power data experts.....! but i guess you know better!
vrusimov More than 1 year ago
He was not given the incomplete data to satisfy HIM. This was a pitiful PR placation proffered pusillanimously to pacify the heat that has risen around Froome's performances. Grappe gave the green light to Armstrong in 2001, the year of his most devastating and DOPED performance, so excuse some of us if what Sky has done passes for little more than a carefully contrived and conceived circus. Brailsford should take a course in psychology because playing the "child" in this case is bad faith and makes him look even more ridiculous!
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
bad loser....!
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
"incomplete data" if you bothered to listen to the interview, they provided what was asked for. if he wants more data, then he can simply ask for it and it will also be provided. but i guess you like to have your conspiracy, because your rider has just failed to win.!
thehog More than 1 year ago
You do release Grappe said the data was inconclusive?
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Thanks Christopher, I do know better. If someone were to have been doping for the past 2 years (e.g. the time the terrafroominator has been rocking it big time), then I would expect their power data would be pretty consistent. And being told - the data is consistent, it points to the highest aerobic capacity physiologically, it drops off in a somewhat normal way from 60 minutes to 20 minutes, etc, does not really say no doping. Especially when it is only the past 2 years. Like I said, ask for an independent group to look at it. Those who are more controversial, and those who are more conservative. Release a basic amount publically. Sure, some armchair critics will call out "doping". But they do already, so what is the loss. BTW, that expert you've referred to has flat out said that looking at the data has, for him, not proven the terrafroominator has not doped. Why would you be against all the teams doing this Chris?
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Hi Christopher, I have not heard back. Why would you be against all of the teams releasing data?
longshadow More than 1 year ago
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and sh*ts like a duck...it's a duck.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
Very original! Full marks for wit.
longshadow More than 1 year ago
Back at ya, Wrinklyballs.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
How did you know?
dsotherby More than 1 year ago
LOL!
thehog More than 1 year ago
British don't dope. French and Italians can dope, test positive and come back as provincial spin instructors at local gyms.
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
Can't see the joke here - seems accurate save that you have left some nationalities out in both respects! I really think it's time you guys became more gracious spectators.
Altimus Chang More than 1 year ago
So, we're supposed to just pretend Froome is some kind of super-natural talent even though he has nothing to indicate it prior to Sky? Unlike, say a Uran or Quintana?
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
We don't need you to pretend anything!
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Suspension of disbelief :)
mononck More than 1 year ago
What is Quitana's palmares? Arrivedon the scene 2 years ago and came 1st in most of the races he started. That is suspicious to me, very suspicious.
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Read 'em up.
mononck More than 1 year ago
Ripper, I have read them. FYI: 2010 1st Overall Tour de l'Avenir 1st Stages 6 & 7 2011 1st Mountains classification, Volta a Catalunya 2012 1st Overall Vuelta a Murcia 1st Stage 1 1st Overall Route du Sud 1st Stage 3 1st Giro dell'Emilia 1st Stage 6 Critérium du Dauphiné 1st Stage 1 (TTT) Vuelta a España 1st Young rider classification, Vuelta a la Comunidad de Madrid 2013 1st Overall Tour of the Basque Country 1st Stage 4 1st Points classification 1st Stage 20 Tour de France 4th Overall Volta a Catalunya 1st Stage 3 7th Overall Vuelta a Andalucía That makes a lot of 1st to me! And that does not strike me of progress!!! I have nothing against the guy, in fact I like him a lot. But I am just trying to highlight the inconsistencies I read here re Froome being the big bad doper and the others the poor victims. In my mind, Froome and Quintana are as clean or as doped as each other. Perso, I believe they are clean.
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Looks like you've listed all his pro results. No transfroomations, just great from the beginning. Should there be some suspicion? Sure! Have you looked up his amateur background?
mononck More than 1 year ago
Ripper, have you looked up Froome's amateur's results? Not as good as pro. So, if Quintana's results look progressive to you, so should Froome's.
cristi1 More than 1 year ago
Everybody use doping even the British. Two weeks ago you could say that Jamaicans don't dope. What you say now?
wrinklyvet More than 1 year ago
Yes, that's right. The Jamaicans prove your argument entirely. How obvious it all is!
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
No - the British don't dope.
ridleyrider More than 1 year ago
So, the British cheat on taxes like everyone else, have murders, lie, steal, everything like every other country in the world, but they draw the line at doping? What a crock.
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
no it's not.
danjo007 More than 1 year ago
the british have a BIG doping problems.. just start with the track, and then look on! oh.. brailsford is behind the scenes everywhere.. he's like the "british dr ferrari"
Frubberduck More than 1 year ago
Chris - for god's sake stop acting like a muppet on these forums! Look, I support Froome but I don't come up with brain dead comments to support my arguments!
jalabert More than 1 year ago
What a that you are Todgers
geezer More than 1 year ago
WOW! I have just finished watching the 20th stage, what a race, I find it strange that you disbelievers are railing on against Froome and Sky but yet have nothing to say about the young fellow who disappeared to Columbia for a few months and reappeared for Le Tour and took second place! and the mountains jersey at 23 years old! In fact if his team had not pulled him back to help Valverde we may have seen a lot closer times between 1st and 2nd. Brailsford was very smart not to have Wiggins ride this year, he is not the mountain climber that Froome is. Well done Froome and Brailsford!!
RogerP More than 1 year ago
You mustn't dare cast suspicions on anyone but Sky and Froome here! :)
Altimus Chang More than 1 year ago
Whatever you do, don't go looking for Quintana's results prior to 2013 because you'll find plenty! Chief among them, 2010 Tour l'Avenir winner. Is he doing it on "pan y agua?" Probably not. Where's Froome's Tour l'Avenir?
ChewbaccaD More than 1 year ago
It's called the Anatomic Jock Race, and it's one all serious Tour contenders look to win...that and 5th place in the 2010 Commonwealth Games TT. Anyone who didn't see his potential for Tour success from those results obviously knows nothing about cycling.
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Awesome post Chewie!
veganpotter More than 1 year ago
Uh...5th place missing almost all the heavy hitters including some more guys that would have been better than him FROM HIS OWN COUNTRY in 2010. The guys that beat him...Millar was good...Dowsett was probably over a minute slower than he would be now and the same with Durbridge...Michael Hutchinson is fames for fast TTs with fudged non-uci positions then races UCI races a few minutes slower. In 2010 he would have finished 50th or worse at the world TT championships. Now he can pretty much beat Tony Martin if he so chooses.
cristi1 More than 1 year ago
Nairo last year won a stage in Criterium Dauphine, won GC in Vuelta a Murcia and Route du Sud. So he is not coming from nowhere like other cyclists. And also won Tour de l'Avenir with two stage wins in 2010. You are wrong my fellow.
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
and what about before that?
vrusimov More than 1 year ago
In what universe would Quintana be doped and Froome not??? Twilight zone maybe? Man you've got specious sophistry and suspect syllogisms down to a science my friend!
cristi1 More than 1 year ago
Before that he was 19. What cyclist win important races at 19?
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
lots of them do.
mononck More than 1 year ago
So, what you are saying is that is results are sudden. There is no progression. He goes from nobody at 19 to winning everything he enters after that. Including 2 jerseys and 2nd place at his FIRST TdF! Froome's CV looks far less suspicious and yet, you can't help yourself dragging him in the mud.
danjo007 More than 1 year ago
yep - from zero to hero in 3 years. didnt he get DQed for not being able to ride up mountains, and hang on the the motorbike at the 2010 giro.. well yes he did!
mononck More than 1 year ago
But yes, precisely. He IS coming from nowhere. His ascent is NOT progressive. You just said it. He won almost every race he entered since he started! Exactly what you say about Froome.
cristi1 More than 1 year ago
He took it gradually. Won tour de l'avenir, then two stage races which are not for the elite of the peloton then won a stage in dauphine and this year a stage in le tour. This means to me progress.
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Erm, but Froome has not been winning races since he started.
Chris Todgers More than 1 year ago
and?
mononck More than 1 year ago
Ripper: Precisely! He wasn't winning at the beginning. So that means he improved to start winning races. Unlike Quintana. You don't even understand your own logic!
Ripper More than 1 year ago
Sigh. You are both either truly thick or trying to obfuscate things. Wow. BTW, just so you don't think I am dodging the Q - Froome was kinda OK in the beginning, as an A and a P (they were not total krap). But then bamm, at the end of one year he's on the Vuelta podium. I won't repeat all the other things we know and all the different suspicions. Just that NQ's progression is hardly as transformational as CFs. But go ahead spin docs, spin all you want.
danjo007 More than 1 year ago
togers makes me laugh. fanbois!
maplethedog More than 1 year ago
Yeah, on top of being a fanboy Todgers is also a dunce!
mononck More than 1 year ago
"You are both either truly thick or trying to obfuscate things." And you would know a lot about being thick, ripper..... that's right up your street, innit? Your flawed logic tells a lot about your IQ..... and you blinded hatred about your personality. Let me add: "But then, bamm, at the end of one year he's on the TdF podium (with both the white and polka dot jerseys)."
Ripper More than 1 year ago
mononck - my "blinded hatred about [my] personality". ??? LOL! Nice fail. :o) I'm not sure what blinded hatred you're talking about BTW. Can you tell me what it is that I hate?
veganpotter More than 1 year ago
Its stupid to not doubt Quintana as well. People have more of a problem with people doping and winning than doping and finishing second. If Quintana won, he'd get the finger pointing because people are too tired of pointing at everyone even though that may be what is needed. Lance doped...but a lot of people pointed a finger at just him but that was wrong. Everyone was to blame and now....these guys aren't really much slower so I'm still pointing at everyone and will keep doing so while there are doping masters and Cat 4s trying to win their local crits.
Ripper More than 1 year ago
I basically agree. While I would not compare NQ and CF, it's not like I do not have concerns about NQ's results. And Movistar? LOL!!! I love that some masters and Cat 3s and 4s are doping ... just sad.
ridleyrider More than 1 year ago
I am suspicious of Movistar, but I will have to admit that his stage 11 TT at least supported what would be consistent of a pure climber.