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Rogers denies knowingly using Clenbuterol

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December 20, 2013, 10:58,
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December 20, 2013, 11:07
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Australian proposes contaminated meat as explanation for positive test

Michael Rogers has denied that he knowingly used Clenbuterol and has pointed to the possible consumption of contaminated meat during the Tour of Beijing as an explanation for his positive test.

The UCI announced on Wednesday that Rogers had returned an adverse analytical finding for Clenbuterol following his victory at the Japan Cup on October 20. The Saxo-Tinkoff rider had raced at the Tour of Beijing before travelling to Japan.

“I would like to make it very clear, in the strongest terms possible that I have never knowingly or deliberately ingested Clenbuterol,” Rogers said in a statement released on Friday morning.

“I can advise that during the period 8th-17th October, before arriving in Japan, I was present in China for the WorldTour race, Tour of Beijing. I understand that it has been acknowledged by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) as well as other anti-doping bodies, that food contaminated with Clenbuterol is a serious problem in China.”

The Australian’s case was one of two Clenbuterol positives announced by the UCI on Wednesday. Jonathan Breyne (Crelan-Euphony) returned an adverse analytical finding for the substance during another Chinese race, the Tour of Taihu Lake, on November 5.

In late November 2011 WADA issued a warning about concerns of contaminated meat and "re-emphasized the need for athletes to exercise extreme caution with regards to eating meat when traveling to competitions in China and Mexico."

Rogers’ Saxo-Tinkoff team leader Alberto Contador proposed contaminated meat as a defence for his positive test for Clenbuterol at the 2010 Tour de France, but the claim was rejected by the Court of Arbitration for Sport in February 2011, who enforced the principle of strict liability in the case. Contador was stripped of his title and handed a retroactive two-year ban.

Rogers has been provisionally suspended pending analysis of the B-sample. The 34-year-old faces a ban of two years under article 21 of the UCI’s anti-doping regulations if found guilty of a doping offence.

“In the following weeks, I will have the opportunity to explain this unfortunate situation to the UCI, in which I will give my full attention and cooperation to resolve this issue in the quickest time frame possible,” Rogers said.


 

Scale Rouleur 10 months ago
Clutching at straws, I'd say. Best of luck to him if he's innocent, but I dont think he's going to persuade people of his innocence very easily.
leftbehind 10 months ago
I agree that it will be difficult to convince people of his claimed innocence. He left China on the 17th and tested positive on the 20th. Clenbuterol is normally only detectable in the urine for 36-48 hours, and that is taking it at a regular dose (20-40 ug). It's questionable he could have eaten enough beef (liver) to have tested positive in the first place, much less 72 hours later.
oldultrarunner 10 months ago
I'm not getting this; he knew from UCI information that there had been a history of China meat producers still using clenbuterol in cattle, pork, chicken production. So is he saying he doesn't read anything on this before going into a foreign country like China or even Mexico? If I were racing in China and I'd read the reports from the UCI, I sure as hell wouldn't be eating the meat in China while I'm there! I'm not buying his story and neither will the Court of Arbitration. Say adios to Rogers for two years; you got caught Michael...you got caught.
GuyIncognito 10 months ago
The UCI put out a warning to all riders to not eat meat in China under any circumstances. The teams made a point of bringing their own meat, the same way they bring their own chefs. So, even believing for a second that Saxo would tell Rogers it’s fine to go out and have dinner somewhere else without his teammates, his entire argument boils down to “I’m not a cheat, I’m just very stupid and spectacularly irresponsible” I don't buy that. Maybe from a naive young kid with every chance to be clean, in his first season, but not from 15 year veteran named in several doping scandals before this
barthvos 10 months ago
Could you be more specific about the several doping scandels in which Rogers was named? I couldn't find them on dopeology or cyclingarchives.He was only mentioned getting prizes because winners had been caught. But this is the first time he himself had a positive test. Doesn't mean he did ride clean during his career but until this case he was never caught.
wigvelo 10 months ago
Tell me your gut feeling do you think he is clean? No one on this forum can be 100% sure of what riders do.
barthvos 10 months ago
No I don't think he is clean but this is his firste positive test and I'm reacting on a post with a remark about several doping scandals with involvement of Rogers and there aren't any.
bianchi1885 10 months ago
Riddle me this: do pro riders in today's era of correct dieting really eat beef at dinner during stage races? I mean, seriously??
wrinklyvet 10 months ago
@ bianchi1885 - I understandall meats in China, chicken included, are risky. But i don't think anyone here knows the answer to your riddle, even if extended to all meats. Presumably protein is needed at some point in some form, but how they include it, I don't know.
runninboy 10 months ago
again as a cattle producer, clen is counterproductive to raising beef even if legal. Pork would be far more likely. BUT it is very unlikely clen would show up from eating the flesh of an animal treated with it. The drug stays in the liver before it is flushed from the animal. Totally implausible to suggest that eating anything other than organ meats would result in a positive test. But it is the perfect excuse to dope. Just as marathoners get TUE's for asthma and sprinters for ADD, you set the stage for the drug of your choice. Need to drop some weight while not riding ? Head to China or Mexico and then use clen to drop the weight and build muscle. The WADA warning is almost an excuse to dope.
straumoy 10 months ago
Worked with Ferrari for two years. Game, set, Match.
barthvos 10 months ago
There are a lot of riders who have worked with Michele Ferrari and a lot of them were caught. And a lot of them were not. So based only on the information "having worked with Ferrari" in itself is not enough for game, set, match.
Stingray34 10 months ago
You're quite right. Rogers is just a close personal friend of the Ferrari family.
Anonymous 10 months ago
Yep... Ferrari didn't tell "some" of the guys he worked with to dope and others not to. First offense... 3 year ban. Second offense... you are done for good. Make doping so over the top painful to your career that these guys push it away. If you really want to end doping, make supplying these drugs a criminal offense that includes jail time, and that includes Team Directors. You think Ferrari would supply dope if he knew the first cyclist caught will roll over and implicate him and it means he (ferrari) is going to jail for 2 years??
wolfee11 10 months ago
not we are getting somewhere!
John Smith 10 months ago
He ran away from Sky in about 5 seconds after Sky asked every cyclist to sign a final release contract on past activities. Everyone's memory is failing on Rogers... I met Mick once, he is a real nice guy, but such is life of an athlete, nothing to do with how well behaved you are. Love the sport, just keep individual matters out of it. Also, would someone please give me the list of hundreds and hundreds of Chinese Olympic athletes with bad steak poisoning...
barthvos 10 months ago
Quitting Sky was not a scandal. There are more riders who left Sky at the end of last year. Dare you accusing those?
John Smith 10 months ago
Your posts are a joke. Because you know, if I were a top clean cyclist, I would definitely drop the most powerful cycling team in the world and go race for Bjarn and his cut back budgets, saved by a drunken Russian... For the love of god mate, wake up. Nothing against Rogers, I love the kid, had a few chats with him before but I am not into personal cults. This is cycling, it's part of the sport and now Mick will take the 2003 approach to anti doping fights.
barthvos 10 months ago
@ John Smith We both are not top clean cyclists dropping the most powerful cycling team in the world. I deal with facts, not with dreams.
wigvelo 10 months ago
And yet Mr 60% has suspended him, in stead of defend him. That speaks volumes.
runninboy 10 months ago
Dear Barthos. If you only deal in facts, Rogers has tested positive for clenbuterol a drug that has little use in food livestock production, but a drug used by body builders to drop weight while retaining muscle. Remember those stories about a "livestock" doping ring busted in the Canaries? It was horses. Horses are also livestock, but people associate the word livestock with food animals rather than working animals. It was written by a small town newspaper and picked up by cycling websites. Those are facts. The facts about AC's food excuse were drafted not by him but provided by the UCI. That was the excuse given as to why the positive was not announced but instead was uncovered by a German reporter. The UCI claimed they were using the delay to find out how AC could have got Clen into his system other than doping. And they said food contamination. Despite the facts that there had been no use of clenbuterol in decades. When you try to trace the" facts' of clenbuterol in meat production you end up with stories that have alot of speculation but no real proof. Including China. The WADA warning never gave any scientific facts but was basically to cover the problem from legal basis. You have been warned that the local food might be suspect but we will still consider you responsible. So Rogers has no basis for claiming he accidentally consumed clenbuterol. He was warned. So whether he took the drug or ate the drug he is still a doper. those are the facts.
Mark Hornsby 10 months ago
@wigvelo Not arguing with what you are saying; but to be fair, given that the UCI had already provisionally banned Rogers, Bjarne Riis had no option but to suspend him.
barthvos 10 months ago
@runninboy About the Rogers case, agreed. About clenbuterol you could be right. This thread is not about Contador but your explanation of his case is accurate.
kdogg64 10 months ago
I believe the Chinese government banned their olympic athletes from eating Chinese meat several month before the games because the problem is very wide spread. Smart move I'd say.
Stingray34 10 months ago
1) Mentioned in USADA's Reasoned Decision as a Ferrari client and present at a clandestine Ferrari training camp in Tenerife. 2) Sinkewitz named Rogers present at blood doping session at Freiburg University during 2006 Tour.
GuyIncognito 10 months ago
In the ongoing Ferrari investigation he's named as a client by other pros, including testimony that he was there visiting Ferrari Also, he was caught in the Freiburg investigation where Sinkewitz testified he was one of the guys to get a transfusion. He got away with it because in german law you can settle these investigations by paying money before it goes to court. He paid, the investigation ended as far as I'm aware
Nilsson 10 months ago
You don't know what you're talking about. Rogers isn't mentioned in the Freiburg investigation.
Mathew Mitchell 10 months ago
Seems that everyone on that T-Mobile team doped at some point...
Mark Hornsby 10 months ago
@Nilsson Sorry, but if you claim that Rogers wasn't mentioned in the Freiburg investigation, into the claims made by Sinkewitz and Franke, then it is you who is proving that he doesn't know what he is talking about. Rogers was explicitly named in the Frieburg investigation and much was made of the fact that Bob Stapleton decided to give Rogers the benefit of the doubt and continue to ride with what by then was Team High Road.
Nilsson 10 months ago
@ Mark Hornsby. I don't care about rumors or what people might have said (although I don't have any specific knowledge about that whatsoever concerning Rogers) nor will I vouch for Rogers never being doped, because I simply don't know. However, it's a FACT that Michael Rogers isn't mentioned in the official reports concerning the Freiburg investigation.
Mark Hornsby 10 months ago
@Nilsson It has nothing to do with rumours. Being mentioned in the investigation, and not being mentioned in the official 15-page report of the investigation, are two completely different matters. He was very much a subject of investigation .. and that is documented FACT that disproves your "isn't mentioned in the Freiburg investigation".
Mark Hornsby 10 months ago
In fact Rogers was mentioned in the full Freiburg report, just not in the 15-page summary of Freiburg evidence presented by USADA.
Nilsson 10 months ago
Since I'm fluent in German I've read the 60 pages full report in German and haven't read a word about Rogers in it. Nor did I ever read a direct accusation in the media concerning Rogers at the time by a team mate - but it's possible that I missed one.
Gary333 10 months ago
Maybe he really likes Mongolian Beef and the team chefs didn't want to make it. So he snuck out to the local Panda Express in China and grabbed a combo plate! BTW, I overheard Rogers tell his teammates that over in China, chinese food is called, simply, food...
TommyD 10 months ago
Again, it is the responsibility of these guys to stay clean. It is not enough to just "not dope". He should know that he was either unprofessional, which is dumb knowing how vigilant the testing can be or he cheated (again).
TommyD 10 months ago
OK, so "again" is unproven. Apologies.
TommyD 10 months ago
OK, so "again" is unproven. Apologies.
bing181 10 months ago
Easy to detect product that's not even a performance-enhancer at the tail-end of the season in a no-name race? No clenbuterol all season (for the afore-mentioned reasons no doubt), but then two in the same day? Maybe, but it doesn't make sense. As Robbie McEwan tweeted, if he/they're found guilty, no-one will want to be racing in China real soon.
CyclingsChanged 10 months ago
More omertà from another colleague....
REDLANTERN 10 months ago
This is the time of year when riders would take clenbuterol - when they are getting ready for upcoming season - to lose weight without sacrificing power. It matters when you test for certain drugs. A racer would not test positive the day of a key mountain stage of the TdF for anabolic steroids because the time for that has long gone. You would test for an increase in haematocrit levels. Or you may test for cortisol levels Even testing for EPO then is unlikely to yield a positive, as the EPO would have been taken before the race long enough to let it get out of the system, only leaving the increased red blood cell count. Smart testing would look for a drug when it is likely to be used. In Contador's case, it would seem that the finding was coincidental. They went looking for increase in blood levels, but checked for drugs that would be taken at a time when blood would be removed and stored and found clenbuterol. In Rogers case, they probably went looking for this type of drug because it is the right time of year to look for it.
Nilsson 10 months ago
Utter humbug. EPO, of course, is a different test but the rest is nonsense. Every single urine sample nowadays will be tested with an analytical method that is called gas chromatography–mass spectrometry, which will highlight all diffrent substances in the test sample (known and unknown legal an illegal). Based on those results they could do some more specific tests, to get a positive if needed.
REDLANTERN 10 months ago
Yes - I understand what the testing is all about, but the GC testing is not incredibly new to drug testing. Values have to exceed a threshold in many cases to record a positive result. Micro-dosing and drug half-life have to be considered. The stuff washes out. The body also metabolises the drugs and those metabolites have to be evaluated and proven to be sufficiently different from other compounds to declare a positive finding. Additionally, even though some drugs have no allowance for being in the body at all, the values that may be present could be lower than the sensitivity of the CG. Some facilities have more sensitive equipment than others. Contador would not have been caught if they had used the regular lab for his results. You don't simply put in a sample and have it spit out a 100% yes or no. That is an over-simpification
Nilsson 10 months ago
I can agree on this.
petrescue 10 months ago
Well it worked for Contador
CyclingsChanged 10 months ago
What. A. Joke. And he accidentally fell through the doors of the Frieberg Clinic as well........
der_chazmeister 10 months ago
Would be interesting to see what happens when you test a some typical Chinese meat eaters for Clenbuterol...
Gary333 10 months ago
They'd come back positive... for MSG!
benignlyindifferent 10 months ago
We have been through this before. The statistical likelihood of a positive due to the ingestion of contaminated meat is infinitesimal. If you recall, Contador's defines did not present tainted meat as an official defines knowing what the food ministry's results indicated and the meat theory was for media consumption only. It did not work for Contador. He was suspended and stripped of his title, and they never explained the corresponding presence of plasticizers in his blood sample, indicating a transfusion of some sort on the rest day. No, Rogers is very likely guilty. Even his team is reserving any comment until the B sample test and are not jumping to contaminated cows or additives as an explanation for why only one rider in their team tested positive.
Simon Bailey 10 months ago
A good point about his team mates, though were any of them tested at the same time? Rogers won so naturally undertook an official test, but were any other team mates picked up for random tests? Also, it depends how beefed up the meat was, who knows how much staff their cattle are laced with.
Simon Bailey 10 months ago
stuff - not staff!
runninboy 10 months ago
clenbuterol is counterproductive in the raising of beef. That livestock ring in the Canaries was horses. Clen drops the weight of cattle too much and makes the meat tough & tainted(bad aftertaste) It removes the marbling of fat in the muscle that cattle producers spend alot of money trying to increase not decrease. The stories of clen being found in meat are in my experience people eating the liver of the animal not the flesh. The drug is processed through the liver and very little if any would make it to the flesh, let alone remain after butchering. You don't give a drug to an animal and immediately butcher it. What would be the sense ?
Nilsson 10 months ago
This is an argument made by WADA in one specific case - the case of Contador. But the real world, as well as WADA not acting in countless other cases regarding positives in/from China and Mexico, it has been proven a very lousy argument. Clenbuterol is used in livestock, if we like it or not. And it's a problem.
Hill Special 1980 10 months ago
if that is so then why have WADA and others warned against eating meat in China? Would it not make more sense to warn against eating offal or liver specifically?
ShawnB 10 months ago
Because in China meat means organs, offal, and what have you -- they do not have our hang-ups or categorizations about such things. Don't eat meat in East or Southeast Asia if you don't want that extended range of tissue types. They enjoy the whole animal, and see it all as meat. Some parts more prized than others, but you would most often have to know the language to understand the specific meat types in your dish -- unless they had decided to call it out in the title (which is not that often -- more often titles of dishes involve the poetic, not the prosaic).
Evan Shaw 10 months ago
If you are about to be caught go to a suspect country eat meat and keep your charge card receipt.